Jeremiah 3:12 "Go, proclaim this message toward the North: 'Return faithless Israel,' declares the Lord, 'I will frown on you no longer, for I am merciful,' declares the Lord, 'I will not be angry forever."
Jeremiah 17:4 "Through your own fault you will lose the inheritance I gave you. I will enslave you to your enemies in a land you do not know, for you have kindled my anger, and it will burn forever."
John 5:31 *has full verse*
John 8:14 "Jesus answered, 'Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going."
Mathew 28:18 *has full verse*
1 John 5:19 "We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one."
John 9:39 " Jesus said, 'For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.' (This thing doesn't even have the right verse!)
John 12:47 " 'If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world."
Genesis 32:30 "So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, 'It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.' "
John 1:18 "No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known."
If you're going to try to insult Christianity, put the full verse. And you know what? Try actually reading the Bible so you know the context of these verses. Many of thses are different people talking or writing.
The whole of 2 Peter 1:20 "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things."
I used a NIV Bible, so the wording might be a bit different. Anyone reading these partial quotes should know that they are only segments of a whole understanding.
So...I'm legitimately impressed by this. I mean...typically, people tend to always take things out of context, whether they want to prove or disprove the Bible. However, in this case, you used the verses in the proper context and they still contradicted each other for the most part. I do, however, have a few questions/points to make (and I hope you don't see this as an attack, because this is anything but...I'm truly interested in conversation).
Contradiction 1: Reading this, I think that God was talking to the people of Israel in the first reference while he is talking to the people of Judah in the second. Now, I know that Judah is a tribe of Israel, but do you think that the different audiences could have anything to do with the contradiction in the passage?
Contradiction 2: Yeah...there really is no arguing that. That's nothing but a contradiction that I'm surprised no one else has caught.
Contradiction 3: ...again, very difficult to counter. Yet I wonder if we're supposed to read more into it than what's at face value. Like...I could see someone trying to argue that Jesus is saying that the world was rightfully given to him, but it has been wrenched from his grip by Satan, as is said in the second passage. It could also be argued that Jesus, in his power, allows Satan do exercise his power, which causes another whole debate entirely.
Contradiction 4: This one is actually more contradictory than you made it seem, since he actually seems to contradict himself in Chapter 12 alone, when he says that he didn't come to judge, but basically added that judging was in his job description. It makes me wonder if it's similar to a parent's "I don't want to punish you, but I have to."
Contradiction 5: I find this contradiction to be flawed, but the flaw brings up another contradiction. In the first reference, Jacob/Israel claims to have seen God. Yet, if one reads the passage, you can see that Jacob seems to be wrestling an angel. Strangely enough, this isn't the only time when an angel is referred to as God. Of course, it is known that angels are the messengers of God, but it seems that the Bible occasionally refers to God and angels in the same light, while making the distinction in other places.
What I mean to say in all of this is that I don't think the Genesis reference is actually referring to God, despite the fact that it refers to God (which I know just makes perfect sense ).
I'd love to hear some of your responses to my responses, but all in all, I think you did a really good job in proposing an intelligent argument and several valid (or invalid, depending on how you look at it) points.
Have you ever heard of a blivet? [link] (Also sometimes called the devil's tuning fork or poiuyt.) That's what religion has always seemed like to me. If you narrow your focus to just one piece at a time, it all seems to make sense. But when you try to put it all together, it's impossible, just like the impossible figure of the blivet.
Yes, indeed, the bible has answers for everything. Of course, they aren't CONSISTENT answers!
Reading this and remembering what I experienced with those nuts, it's no wonder so many Xtians end up in an institution for mental health issues. It's so easy to get the wires crossed reading the bible.
context, context, context.... Silly you! You forgot to look at the surrounding verses to see what they were about! I'm sure that it just slipped your mind. As for me, I value truth AND faith.
fyi-- 2 Peter 1:20: Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
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