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Mental Gymnastics by jackcomstock Mental Gymnastics by jackcomstock
What do you value more, truth or faith?

I spent 17 years of my life do using mental gymnastics to justify what I believed. I was living a mental simulation where god was real. this greatly skewed my perspective on reality.

to any one that believes these verses are taken out of context or misinterpreted please read the following verse

2 Peter 1:20" "no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."


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If you felt mind-f#cked by the hypocrisy here, try reading the real Bible. Go ahead. Pick any of the 100,000+ different versions out there. You'll find basically the same heaping piles of BS there too. 
You know, give or take a shovel. 
-Jeremiah 3:12 and Jeremiah 17:4-

You forgot to mention that Jeremiah 3:12 has a condition.

"‘Return, faithless Israel,’ declares the Lord,‘I will frown on you no longer, for I am faithful,’ declares the Lord,‘I will not be angry forever.’"

15 chapters later, it's clear that Israel didn't listen.

"Through your own fault you will lose the inheritance I gave you. I will enslave you to your enemies in a land you do not know, for you have kindled my anger, and it will burn forever.”

-John 5:31 and John 8:14-

When Jesus says his testimony would be invalid, that's because he would need another person to advocate. He immediately clarifies that the Father would advocate for him. Later, in John 8, he says...huh, that the Father would advocate for him, making his otherwise invalid testimony valid. When talking to his friends, he could start out by saying the negative, because he knew they would let him finish. Now, if you're standing in front of a bunch of people who are all searching for a reason to have you killed, you don't want to start off with "My testimony isn't valid, but..."

-Matthew 28:18 and John 9:39-

lol ok, so if the devil is manipulating everything on earth, then God isn't allowed to be all-powerful?

-John 9:39 and John 12:47-

You know what, that seems less stupid and more cool. I'm glad you pointed this one out. Imagine these being said in the same sentence:

I came here for the sake of Judgement, but I didn't come to judge the world.

The whole sacrificial death was an enactment of judgement, but rather than condemning the world, he condemned himself in its place.

Although, honestly, it looks more like he's talking about discernment in chapter 9, whereas he's talking about our modern conception of judgement, being judgemental. He sure wasn't judgemental, or he wouldn't have spent all of his time with people whose lives were royally screwed up.
-Genesis 32:30 and John 1:18-

Okay, so Jacob has just come from wrestling a mysterious man, demanding God's blessing. Some believe it was an angel, others believe it was God. I personally believe it was actually God, since the text really seems to lean in that direction. However, that interaction was with God in human form. If seeing God in a human body contradicts "No man has seen God," then I can think of four new-testament books that might have a problem, including the one this very passage is from.

The Bible makes it abundantly clear that seeing God unfiltered is not possible. At least, staying alive while doing so isn't. That's why he tends to send messangers or appear to people in the Bible as a voice. No man has actually seen God face to face, but it's ok, Jacob. You're still special.

"You cannot grasp the true form of God" lol

I'd recomment training your heart, mental strength, and mental flexibility. They tend to make mental gymnastics a lot easier.

To answer your rhetorical question, jackcomstock, I value truth over faith. You can have faith in anything, but truth is absolute, a reference point from which everything must be measured. I want to put faith in truth. The problem is that many things look like truth, and the truth can be made to look like a lie, especially when you apply your own private interpretation.
Heya, I remember you :)
Wanna debate some more?
No thanks, whilst I enjoyed it last time, I'm currently recovering after debating with a pair of very intolerant and ignorant atheists on Youtube, the kind that just go "Religion is evil!" and "Religious people hold back society!" without saying much else. Their arguments were full of holes and they very quickly shut up after (I can say without bragging that I owned them), however talking with people so incredibly intolerant and arrogant is very draining, I pray that those two change their lifestyle, maybe not to Christianity or away form Atheism, but at least to a mindset that isn't so bitter and hateful.

Thank you for offering though, may God bless :)
That's why the Holy Babble can be used to "prove" any damn thing. From a contradiction, anything follows.
"The Holy Babble" :XD:  I love it.
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The full verses:

Jeremiah 3:12 "Go, proclaim this message toward the North: 'Return faithless Israel,' declares the Lord, 'I will frown on you no longer, for I am merciful,' declares the Lord, 'I will not be angry forever."

Jeremiah 17:4 "Through your own fault you will lose the inheritance I gave you. I will enslave you to your enemies in a land you do not know, for you have kindled my anger, and it will burn forever."

John 5:31 *has full verse*

John 8:14 "Jesus answered, 'Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going."

Mathew 28:18 *has full verse*

1 John 5:19 "We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one."

John 9:39 " Jesus said, 'For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.' (This thing doesn't even have the right verse!)

John 12:47 " 'If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world."

Genesis 32:30 "So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, 'It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.' "

John 1:18 "No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known."

If you're going to try to insult Christianity, put the full verse. And you know what? Try actually reading the Bible so you know the context of these verses. Many of thses are different people talking or writing.

The whole of 2 Peter 1:20 "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things."

I used a NIV Bible, so the wording might be a bit different. Anyone reading these partial quotes should know that they are only segments of a whole understanding.
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